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Night 5talker 514
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Posted - 2014.01.31 08:18:00 -
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Hey Guys,
Thanks for all the support! In this video we ask the question: Is Faction Warfare Broken? Let us know what you think in the video comments.
Is FW Broken?
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Casual Dusting - Fitting - Amarr Assault Suits Casual Dusting - Fitting - Amarr Logistics
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Laser Rifle Spotlight Casual Dusting - Rail Rifle Spotlight Casual Dusting - Six Kin Combat Rifle Spotlight Casual Dusting - Skill Tree Spotlight Casual Dusting - Combat Rifle Spotlight |
Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.31 09:41:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:I'd like to know a specific statistic. I'd like to know how much time in average do districts conquered by Caldari/Amarr remain in their possession. I have a strange feeling that statistic would something like 30 minutes.
Battle assignment needs to be changed.
It wouldn't supprise me haha |
Night 5talker 514
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Posted - 2014.01.31 09:49:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:FW has been broken for a long time just simply in terms of mechanics.
I could deal with the greater proportion of the community choosing to side with the Minmatar if there indeed were ways to circumvent the bottle necks the current system imposes on the faction that is losing at any given time.
1.) The Offensive and Defensive contract generations rates are the same for both factions. So if the Amarr generated 9 attacking contracts per hour so to do the Minmatar. However if the Minmatar own 80% of the districts their 9 contracts are concentrated against the 20% the Amarr own, while the 9 the Amarr generate at spread out between the 80% the MInmatar own. IN the current state we have the Amarr owning between 10-15 districts across all of FW space at any given time. SO while the Minmatar attack the same 10 districts every hour the Amarr have to take and try to hold X number of districts at the same time. And even loosing once removes that district from their control.
E.G- I have, Cubs has, Evicer has innumerable examples of FW sessions where upwards of 6+ games are taking place in the same district back to back. With this is mind how are the losing factions supposed to claims territory? The only precedent for an upset was during the FW rewards week where Amarr managed to co-ordinate most if not all of the high ranking corporations to shift the balance of power.....
2.) Simple player perception of the factions. IMO CCP does a terrible job of explaining and conveying the nature of the factions in Dust. Half the time players don't even know what their factions stands for beyond the half illiterate Gallentean players who can only chant "Freedom"....
I have more opinions in regards to the state of FW but that would honestly just sound like complaining. Aero and I took this to devs, we've chatted with them, and CPM members, had some great responses, and bad ones...CCP Foxfour I'm looking at you buddy..... but whats more important is...
YOU RUN AMARR FW! SO DO I! GET IN MAH SQUAD with Aero and lets wreck some face!
Add me to contacts and when you're on let me know, I'll join in some Amarr FW. What do you think is the best remedy for this issue in FW?
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Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.31 10:12:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Night 5talker 514 wrote:Is FW Broken? Thats depend on your TZ.
Haha, EU TZ :) |
Night 5talker 514
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Posted - 2014.01.31 11:11:00 -
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So far the general consensus seems to be broken... anyone think otherwise? |
Night 5talker 514
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Posted - 2014.01.31 12:52:00 -
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New video in the works |
Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.31 16:24:00 -
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Which FW militia do you choose to fight for and why? |
Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.31 21:33:00 -
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Teilka Darkmist wrote:I don't FW often, mainly because when I do I often face 2-5 mins waits at least to get into a match. Now, that could be because I've got just Gallente and Minmatar checked. I've done that because I am Gallente, even in EVE two of my three characters is Gallente. And from a lore perspective, Gallente are at war with Caldari and are allied closely to Minmatar, who are, in turn, at war with Amarr. Having watched your video however, I'm actually considering checking the other two as well. I know that as a pretty much solo player who's only proto gear is her Sniper Rifle, I'm not going to make much difference, but I think the matches could, in a way, be more fun on the side that's not assumed to be to one that's going to win from the start. I'll have to give it some thought.
As to fixing FW, I think that, as you suggested in the video, being able to pick which planet, or even which district, you fight in would go a long way to improving things. It always struck me as a little odd that you couldn't do that, especially when CCP touted that EVE and Dust would be so closely linked. What's the point in an Eve pilot training up orbital bombardment, if you can't co-ordinate with someone that you know will be on the ground and waiting for your assist? You could show up and risk your ship to find no-one calls for an orbital bombardment anyway.
I think that has to be one of the first things CCP fixes once 1.8 comes out if they don't want FW to become even more of a LP farm for veteran players.
You raise some nice points there, nice to see all the different view point and angles on this topic
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Night 5talker 514
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Posted - 2014.02.01 06:52:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote: that would be the one thing that might be broken about FW actually, the toons that can afford to run it don't need anything from the lp store and the toons that need higher tier gear ahead of schedule like that found in the LP store can't afford to run FW.
This is a great point and CCP must consider this especially when trying to retain new players to the game,
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Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.01 07:41:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote: Looking at your vid I got one thing to say only: KBM broken my S - there is no way I can maintain that kind of aim with DS3, I am sure 95% DS3 users are the same way.
True, but at close-medium range DS3 users can aim much better than KBM
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Night 5talker 514
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Posted - 2014.02.01 12:15:00 -
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Just reached 100 subscribers!!! Thanks for all the support. Will be doing a PSN code give away competition I think as a celebration to one person subscribed to my channel. Thanks again guys for the support! |
Night 5talker 514
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Posted - 2014.02.01 14:57:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote: Looking at your vid I got one thing to say only: KBM broken my S - there is no way I can maintain that kind of aim with DS3, I am sure 95% DS3 users are the same way.
No sh!t, that's ridiculous, viziam or not. I've always wondered why everyone else has "better guns" and can hammer me from 80m out with spectacular accuracy. Who cares if DS3 is more accurate at short range? The RR has made short range a thing of the past.
To be fair the fitting, skills and skill of the person shooting play a large role. For example, I have three complex damage mods fitted normally, proficiency to 4 and play daily mostly with the viziam so I am used to it's capability with my skills. I regularly die to RR's at range and most other weapons at close range. I do not use aim assist so the aim you see is 100% me, it does not mean the weapon is better. If the scrambler was the best it would be FoTM instead of the RR.
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Night 5talker 514
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Posted - 2014.02.01 23:07:00 -
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PLAYSTTION wrote: Can we squad some time? I would like to lazor with you.
Sure, join the channel Freek Coalition and we'll get as many lasers into one squad as possible ^^
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Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.03 07:06:00 -
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New video on point defence being uploaded right now |
Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.03 08:16:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Now, I fight Caldari, unless someone wants me to fight something else. The one thing THIS character does NOT do is Gallente, don't want to ruin my Standings with Caldari, after all. However, it sucks, the only time Caldari wins is if Kirjuun Heiian or the Caldari Hierarchy queue sync. So... yeah, FW is broken. Now, to watch your other videos, that was awesome.
Thanks man!!!!
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Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.03 08:24:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Night 5talker 514 wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Now, I fight Caldari, unless someone wants me to fight something else. The one thing THIS character does NOT do is Gallente, don't want to ruin my Standings with Caldari, after all. However, it sucks, the only time Caldari wins is if Kirjuun Heiian or the Caldari Hierarchy queue sync. So... yeah, FW is broken. Now, to watch your other videos, that was awesome. Thanks man!!!! I also liked the Rail Rifle one, and commented on it, if you're curious at what interested me the most.
Epic, I replied, also sent a private message on youtube.
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Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.03 10:18:00 -
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Ayures II wrote:True Adamance wrote: 1.) The Offensive and Defensive contract generations rates are the same for both factions. So if the Amarr generated 9 attacking contracts per hour so to do the Minmatar. However if the Minmatar own 80% of the districts their 9 contracts are concentrated against the 20% the Amarr own, while the 9 the Amarr generate at spread out between the 80% the MInmatar own. IN the current state we have the Amarr owning between 10-15 districts across all of FW space at any given time. SO while the Minmatar attack the same 10 districts every hour the Amarr have to take and try to hold X number of districts at the same time. And even loosing once removes that district from their control.
E.G- I have, Cubs has, Evicer has innumerable examples of FW sessions where upwards of 6+ games are taking place in the same district back to back. With this is mind how are the losing factions supposed to claims territory? The only precedent for an upset was during the FW rewards week where Amarr managed to co-ordinate most if not all of the high ranking corporations to shift the balance of power.....
Unless something has changed recently, that's not how it works at all. FW fights are generated by people plexing. If nobody in CalMil is plexing, then no CalMil attack contacts will be generated. CCP has never been specific on exactly how this works, though, so dplexing might generate defense contracts the same way oplexing generates attack contracts. I wish they'd give us the formula(e) for that.
Interesting, maybe they are worried that if they give the forumulae that people would exploit it. If that's the case I don't blame them hahaha! |
Night 5talker 514
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Posted - 2014.02.03 11:08:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:Is factional warfare broken? YES if damn well is.
I was playing the other day, killed a tank or two, i turn a corner and see 2 red tanks. I put one rail round into one and boom I'm kicked from the game.
Hell this entire game is broken. Development is so slow. After watching my bro play BF4 the other day I honestly wonder why am I still here hoping this game will get the fixes it needs when other games already exist that far outclass this.
I had that too early on, it's a known bug when a red hacks a blue tank and then you shoot that tank and exceed the damage quota. Bloody annoying as well -.-
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Night 5talker 514
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Posted - 2014.02.03 11:54:00 -
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New video can be found here http://youtu.be/NxDkBsRcmJ4 |
Night 5talker 514
Freek Coalition Freek Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.06 16:52:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:True Adamance wrote:Night 5talker 514 wrote:True Adamance wrote:FW has been broken for a long time just simply in terms of mechanics.
I could deal with the greater proportion of the community choosing to side with the Minmatar if there indeed were ways to circumvent the bottle necks the current system imposes on the faction that is losing at any given time.
1.) The Offensive and Defensive contract generations rates are the same for both factions. So if the Amarr generated 9 attacking contracts per hour so to do the Minmatar. However if the Minmatar own 80% of the districts their 9 contracts are concentrated against the 20% the Amarr own, while the 9 the Amarr generate at spread out between the 80% the MInmatar own. IN the current state we have the Amarr owning between 10-15 districts across all of FW space at any given time. SO while the Minmatar attack the same 10 districts every hour the Amarr have to take and try to hold X number of districts at the same time. And even loosing once removes that district from their control.
E.G- I have, Cubs has, Evicer has innumerable examples of FW sessions where upwards of 6+ games are taking place in the same district back to back. With this is mind how are the losing factions supposed to claims territory? The only precedent for an upset was during the FW rewards week where Amarr managed to co-ordinate most if not all of the high ranking corporations to shift the balance of power.....
2.) Simple player perception of the factions. IMO CCP does a terrible job of explaining and conveying the nature of the factions in Dust. Half the time players don't even know what their factions stands for beyond the half illiterate Gallentean players who can only chant "Freedom"....
I have more opinions in regards to the state of FW but that would honestly just sound like complaining. Aero and I took this to devs, we've chatted with them, and CPM members, had some great responses, and bad ones...CCP Foxfour I'm looking at you buddy..... but whats more important is...
YOU RUN AMARR FW! SO DO I! GET IN MAH SQUAD with Aero and lets wreck some face! Add me to contacts and when you're on let me know, I'll join in some Amarr FW. What do you think is the best remedy for this issue in FW? I'd need to sound board with Aero, we have discussed this many times and often he brings up points I forget. We have discussed timed district locking, FW should be able to handle that, whereby when a district is conquered it is locked for a set period of time to ensure other battles can be completed and foot holds can be established. Now couple that with allowing FW groups or players to select where they wish to fight and you could see pockets of FW players starting fighting in systems EVE pilots are planning to complex before conquest, or to slow down an deplex systems where MInmatar space side forces are strong. Aero also suggested large overhauls to the FW system incorporating current game mechanics into larger battles where players would move through game modes to capture districts, moving around planets on a track from one to the other. As for much of it I also take issue with the current LP store and standings options. You gain standings with a faction....but they don't have consequences. I fight Amarr all the time because they are my people, but I could up and change that instantly. In EVE standing influence whether or not you can even enter the empire space, work for them, accept jobs. The Player market is also another balancing mechanism that is over looked all the time. There is a lot many other devoted FW players have discussed with CPM and Devs....or tried to..... Do you have a thread on the subject? if so, please link. EDIT: Your ideas are now featured here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1807387#post1807387
Some brilliant ideas actually, would love to see that implimented
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